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Postby krekra » Wed Jun 20, 2007 6:31 pm

Superman....is this the test of your tap water left over night or did you get the tank and set itup yet??

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Postby Superman » Thu Jun 21, 2007 3:10 am

krekra wrote:Superman....is this the test of your tap water left over night or did you get the tank and set itup yet??

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Was the tap water left for 24 hours. Not got my tank yet, will be in about 4 weeks time after I'm back from my hols.

Another thing was suggested to me was building regulations? As my house has a cellar (yes amazing isn't it!) a friend said that his dad had trouble with the council as the floor boards wasn't up to holding his tank.
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Postby moocowmoneybox » Thu Jun 21, 2007 4:01 am

if you are going to be concerned about the tank weight then place it against a load bearing wall and either put a board under the stand or (depending on the tank / stand you get) dont add the feet to the base - so the weight will be distributed over the area that the tank takes up, instead of 4 or 6 points of contact with the floor.

span it across as many joists as you can (if you know where they are)
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Postby Superman » Thu Jun 21, 2007 4:35 am

moocowmoneybox wrote:if you are going to be concerned about the tank weight then place it against a load bearing wall and either put a board under the stand or (depending on the tank / stand you get) dont add the feet to the base - so the weight will be distributed over the area that the tank takes up, instead of 4 or 6 points of contact with the floor.

span it across as many joists as you can (if you know where they are)


Ok thanks.
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Postby krekra » Thu Jun 21, 2007 7:17 am

So your GH, KH, and PH are a bit low. Do you have a water softener hooked up in your home???

Hardness is a measure of the dissolved substances in the water. It effects the waters ability to have a stable pH and it also effects the fishes ability to osmoregulate....ie control its fluid balance.

The concern with a low GH and KH is that your pH will be much less stable. Lets see if I can do a better job of explaining it....

KH is a measure of your temporary hardness. It is predominatly comprised of calcium carbonate and calcium bicarbinate. Permanent hardness is compromised mainly of your metal salts.

Together the two make up your total hardness or GH.

The KH acts as a buffer for your pH. Water that is harder....high KH and GH are well buffered and will have a more stable PH. Soft water....low KH and GH will have a less stable PH. VEry hard water can lead to internal problems like kidney and bladder stones. Very soft water can lead to rapid PH fluctuations which would be bad for the fish.

Does that make sense??

BTW did you get test strips or did you gat a liquid reagent test kit?? :wink:
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Postby Superman » Thu Jun 21, 2007 10:49 am

ah i got strips. the "5 in 1" was a bit of a tempter rather than buying the individual kits. Should I get the liquid reagent kits?! - God I even wrote it down in my shopping list doh!

Anyways, was walking through Halifax town today and found another pet shop that seems to specialise in fish! wow! All the tanks were super clean and have more choice than "Pets at Home". So think I'll (when I do) be buying my fish from them rather than the supermarket like Pets at Home.

Found some really nice looking fish there too, much wider selection. Although, I was scared when looking into one tank was a big spider for sale! Proper freaked me out.
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Postby krekra » Thu Jun 21, 2007 11:07 am

ah i got strips. the "5 in 1" was a bit of a tempter rather than buying the individual kits. Should I get the liquid reagent kits?! - God I even wrote it down in my shopping list doh!


yeah the liquid test kits are much more reliable. API makes a master test kit that has all the basics. You would have to get the GH and KH seperate though.

Anyways, was walking through Halifax town today and found another pet shop that seems to specialise in fish! wow! All the tanks were super clean and have more choice than "Pets at Home". So think I'll (when I do) be buying my fish from them rather than the supermarket like Pets at Home.


that sounds cool. Its always nice to support the privatly owned well run shops. I find that paying a little more is still worth it in those cases.

Found some really nice looking fish there too, much wider selection. Although, I was scared when looking into one tank was a big spider for sale! Proper freaked me out.


ewwwww......I cant imagine ever getting a good nights sleep with a monster like that in the hose even if it was in a tank!!
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Postby Superman » Thu Jun 21, 2007 11:11 am

god I just threw away the water too. another trip to pets at home then.

I do live in an area with very soft water.
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Postby Superman » Thu Jun 21, 2007 11:15 am

so will get tests for NH3, NO2, NO3, pH, GH, KH.

I'll write "LIQUID REAGENT" in big letters
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Postby digger » Thu Jun 21, 2007 1:28 pm

hello dont rush the cycling we have five tanks we got the fifth one which is 36 in by 20 in by 6 feet we needed a bigger tank for our columbian sharks there old tank was way too small for them i set the tank up we were about a week and a half onto cycling and my other half decided it was long enough and he decided to put the sharks in the new tank needless to say the fish got stressedo bad we had a massive ick problem and lost the entire tank the columbian sharks were a foot long we had five of them we had an 18 in placostamous and half a dozen ciclets all gone needless to say he isnt even allowed to feed the fish any more that tank was 5 years old and had been stable up to that time .so dont rush the cycling take your time deciding what fish you want and find out how big the fish will get then figure out what types you want in there. Digger
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Postby David » Thu Jun 21, 2007 2:16 pm

digger wrote:hello dont rush the cycling we have five tanks we got the fifth one which is 36 in by 20 in by 6 feet we needed a bigger tank for our columbian sharks there old tank was way too small for them i set the tank up we were about a week and a half onto cycling and my other half decided it was long enough and he decided to put the sharks in the new tank needless to say the fish got stressedo bad we had a massive ick problem and lost the entire tank the columbian sharks were a foot long we had five of them we had an 18 in placostamous and half a dozen ciclets all gone needless to say he isnt even allowed to feed the fish any more that tank was 5 years old and had been stable up to that time .so dont rush the cycling take your time deciding what fish you want and find out how big the fish will get then figure out what types you want in there. Digger


Very true and always add the most delicate fish last! :wink:
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Postby Apistogramma » Thu Jun 21, 2007 3:57 pm

The cycling is a great time to play with your tank, substrate, ornaments...soak the bogwood in a bucket and get excited about the day you put it in the tank...hehe...stock up on stuff like algae scrapers and so on... :D
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Postby Superman » Sat Jun 23, 2007 3:57 am

krekra wrote:yeah the liquid test kits are much more reliable. API makes a master test kit that has all the basics. You would have to get the GH and KH seperate though.


I found the API master kit at the LFS but nothing seperate for GH and KH. They only had what I already had for them.

Is there like a decent online store for fish stuff - like these kets and equipment?
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Postby krekra » Sat Jun 23, 2007 5:19 am

you shouold be OK with the master test kit. We know you have soft more acidic water now so the exct KH and GH values arent as important as keeping an eye on your pH. That master test kit should have all you need to get started.

So when you getting your tank Mr!! :lol:
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Postby Superman » Sat Jun 23, 2007 11:54 am

krekra wrote:So when you getting your tank Mr!! :lol:


It shall be Monday 16th July on the way home from work. Unless I'm not tired after my flight then it'll be the day before.

Can't wait :D
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