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Re: Fishless Cycle Help / Advice

Postby peter212693 » Tue Jul 10, 2012 10:45 pm

I have also been advised to raise the phosphate level, now I have a phosphate removal pad in my filter should I remove this?
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Re: Fishless Cycle Help / Advice

Postby san-ho-zay » Tue Jul 10, 2012 11:34 pm

Never heard of that one in relation to filter bacteria but why not?

Your tap water may already have quite a bit of phosphate in it. Fish food would add some. Obviously removing the pad means losing a few bacteria but I assume it's only a small part of the filter.
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Re: Fishless Cycle Help / Advice

Postby peter212693 » Tue Jul 10, 2012 11:51 pm

Apparently it helps the bacteria colonize. Ive removed it as I will try anything! It is only a small piece of foam so shouldn't impact a lot.

I am very tempted to switch to fish in cycling though....
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Re: Fishless Cycle Help / Advice

Postby ItWentWhereverIdidGo » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:43 am

This is why people don't recommend fishless cycling, it causes so much hassle. If you'd just picked a few Danios and put them in they'd have cycled your tank by now without having suffered at all if you did small, frequent water changes.

I've put rummy nose in first in a big tank where ammonia and nitrite were never registered due to having live bacteria put into the tank from a very mature tank.

However, I would go for danios with your strange situation as you need something hardy.
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Re: Fishless Cycle Help / Advice

Postby Carylnz » Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:40 am

ItWentWhereverIdidGo wrote:This is why people don't recommend fishless cycling

They do actually. It works as well as fish cycling, if all goes well. There are pros and cons for both methods. Whichever works best for you. :wink:
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Re: Fishless Cycle Help / Advice

Postby peter212693 » Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:19 am

peter212693all your help guys, I feel ive just ignored it now but I havent, I have learnt a lot!

I now have 6 zebra danios happily whizzing around my tank :) I will keep keeping a very close eye on the levels and hoping they level out soon :lol:

Ammonia was 0 from 2 feeds last night, would you recommend getting a bit more stock to keep the bacteria in my nearly cycled filter alive? Maybe 12 neons or a few rummynoses?
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Re: Fishless Cycle Help / Advice

Postby san-ho-zay » Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:16 am

I still think your filter was cycled and it was the tests that didn't make sense. You had a nitrite spike, which you'd only get by converting ammonia, and that subsided to zero.

I once left a fishless cycle for a week without ammonia because I had to go away and it picked up where it left off. I don't think these bacteria die back any quicker than they establish. If you don't see any ammonia by the weekend, I think you could add a few more fish. After that you should take things slowly, for example always adding less than half of what you already have, then waiting a week or two.

If you see a white cloudiness in the water at any point, that's a sign you are going too fast. Sliminess on your decor, perhaps a bit of brown dusty algae will indicate that things are progressing and bacteria are forming durable films.
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Re: Fishless Cycle Help / Advice

Postby peter212693 » Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:06 pm

I'm going to get 12 neons tonight to add keep keep a decent bioload. Keep an eye on things then see what happens and if all is well get more next weekend
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Re: Fishless Cycle Help / Advice

Postby peter212693 » Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:36 pm

Got myself 12 neons now too :)

The danios are keeping themselves to themselves, every now and again chasing a neon or two but giving up soon after and chasing each other again :lol:

The neons really done like the lights on.. as soon as they come on the hide behind the plants .
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Re: Fishless Cycle Help / Advice

Postby peter212693 » Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:26 pm

Hello again everyone,

I would like to thank you for all your help! It did seem that my tank was cycled after all well I hope so... ( still unsure about the strange readings though )

I now have have 33 fish in there and over the last 24 hours rock solid 0 ammonia and 0 nitrite and a steady rise in nitrate. The stock I have is:

6 Zebra Danios
12 Neon Tetras
6 Five Banded Barbs
5 Cherry Barbs
4 Clown Loachs

I have unloaded a little video here:

http://youtu.be/KClqr1y2U8U

They are still all a bit shy at the moment, apart from the danios! The clowns are still swimming around like crazy but still only been in for 24 hours so should settle down soon. Im unsure of what else to get, was thinking Black Phantoms and a bristlenose pleco but I dont know!

Once again thanks to everyone and let me know what you think! :)
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Re: Fishless Cycle Help / Advice

Postby ItWentWhereverIdidGo » Mon Jul 16, 2012 8:17 am

You're already stocked up for a 200l tank. You have over 70 inch of fish there, the clowns will grow to 8 inch you know.
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Re: Fishless Cycle Help / Advice

Postby peter212693 » Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:58 pm

I will be keeping a very close eye on the size of the clown loaches and when they get slightly too big I will pass them on or upgrade tank size :)
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Re: Fishless Cycle Help / Advice

Postby ItWentWhereverIdidGo » Tue Jul 17, 2012 8:17 am

I don't mean this in a mean way but lots of people say that. It's not easy to re-home big fish as most peole don't want or can't accomodate them and a lot of shops won't take them.

Most people who say they are going to upgrade don't end up doing so either.
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Re: Fishless Cycle Help / Advice

Postby peter212693 » Tue Jul 17, 2012 9:36 pm

I may have to get rid of them a bit earlier then. Once they get bit enough, but not too big, I will sell them on.
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Re: Fishless Cycle Help / Advice

Postby san-ho-zay » Tue Jul 17, 2012 9:40 pm

How are things going Peter? Are your ammonia/nitrite holding at zero?
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