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white spot outbreak?

Postby gillian » Sat Jun 30, 2012 9:12 am

I added some baby neon tetra's last week ,just looked in my tank and most of them + my 4 young clown loaches seem to be covered in small white spots.Do i treat
the whole tank?I do know that clowns are prone to this but they are my babies HELP
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Re: white spot outbreak?

Postby san-ho-zay » Sat Jun 30, 2012 9:16 am

Are the fish showing signs of irritation, e.g. generally looking unwell, fins clamped to their bodies, flicking and scratching themselves against things?

What substrate do you have?

Are all the fish affected by what appear to be grains of salt?
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Re: white spot outbreak?

Postby gillian » Sat Jun 30, 2012 9:27 am

no flicking just very fine spots all have been ok till this morning.
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Postby san-ho-zay » Sat Jun 30, 2012 9:28 am

Do you have a sand substrate?
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Postby gillian » Sat Jun 30, 2012 9:32 am

all readings are fine done 30% water change thursday,pea gravel,live plants,daylight tube,clowns seen happy still dancing but need to catch this before to bad.DO I TREAT WHOLE TANK?
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Postby san-ho-zay » Sat Jun 30, 2012 9:41 am

Whitespot treatments are harsh and it's important to make a correct diagnosis before submitting your fish to what is a stressful and potentially lethal treatment. It's not to be done without good reason. On the other hand it's important to catch it early.

Normally whitespot infection is accompanied by signs of irritation, such as flicking and scratching on decor, generally looking unwell, "sulking" with clamped fins and so on. Simetimes fish can get grains of sand stuck to them after a substrate disturbance which would be a false diagnosis.

If you see those signs of being unwell in combination with spots, yes you have to treat the whole tank. The whitespot parasite lives on and off the fish and reproduces massively on the substrate. If you have other tanks, you need to avoid transferring the infection.

With the sensitive nature of loaches, I'd recommend following the guidelines from specialist loach keepers on Loaches Online. Here is their link:

http://forums.loaches.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=16721

I've been searching and treatments that appear to have been successful with loaches include Esha Exit and Waterlife Protozin.
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Postby gillian » Sat Jun 30, 2012 7:38 pm

Thanks for your help I was abit fustrated this morning as I had these loaches from fry(only 8months) as I said I have watched these grow slowlyand I know they are not easy fish but I ssssssssooooooo enjoy relaxing to watch them dance,which they are still doing,no normal signs of flicking,but nearly all fish lok dusted in v.small white spots :cry:
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Postby san-ho-zay » Sat Jun 30, 2012 9:24 pm

Despite the lack of other symptoms, if most of the fish have multiple spots (like grains of table salt), I think you have to assume it's whitespot and start treating the tank. Rinse all your nets, buckets, pipes and leave them to dry, preferably in the sun.

Do follow the guide from the loach experts carefully -- there is a good reason for each step. I know they get a lot of whitespot posts over there.

Good luck with it. Let us know how things are progressing or if you have any questions.
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Re: white spot outbreak?

Postby gillian » Sun Jul 01, 2012 11:54 pm

Thanks Richard,have followed your link,as is now flicking all my poor fish .I will let you know what happens,as I am following the info.THANKS Gill
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Postby gillian » Thu Jul 05, 2012 2:08 pm

Help done everything as instructions--now my leapord sucker looks like he's got fungal infection as has white patches on corner of mouth,thurs.30%water change, when i noticed white spot--sat.50% water change+treated with formaldehye/malachite green oxalate,Tues.the same.What am i doing wrong? :(
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Re: white spot outbreak?

Postby Rob W » Thu Jul 05, 2012 2:27 pm

The stress of carrying parasites and coping with the meds will leave your fish more susceptible to secondary infections unfortunately. Fungal spores are present all the time, a healthy fish will avoid fungal infections, a stressed fish sometimes will not. You can get a water treatment for the fungal infection, it should clear it up and it shouldn't interfere with the whitespot meds, it may be too late for your infected fish but at least it will help prevent others developing the infection, hopefully it will be OK though, gotta be positive. :wink:
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Postby san-ho-zay » Thu Jul 05, 2012 5:06 pm

Be very careful with the formaldehyde and malachite green. We are worried about your fish but you too. Neither are very nice chemicals. Note also that malachite green can knock back filter bacteria, so monitor ammonia and nitrite levels.

How much longer is the treatment? Do the instructions include water changes?
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Postby gillian » Thu Jul 05, 2012 11:31 pm

50% water change +1/2 the dosage is what it recommends on the link you gave me.I have taken all plants out so that when i do water change I clean properly.I have left in (fake) log + stones as they like to hide in these,but i take out when doing water change + put in bioling water to kill off any ich-leave in sun to dry then put back in once I have done tank.It is only 100Ltr but all are still young + hoping to expand but at this rate :oops: As I used to have fish many years ago never had such a problem.GGGGRRRR
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Re: white spot outbreak?

Postby Angel Fish » Fri Jul 06, 2012 11:56 am

How many fish do you have in your tank?
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Re: white spot outbreak?

Postby gillian » Sat Jul 07, 2012 5:27 am

4 clown loaches,2 red fin shark,1leapord sucker,(7 neon tetra which only went in 2 weeks ago) which I think was the source.All of the fish are still young.As I was hoping to get bigger tank .I fluval 2filter,3 inch air stone,normally do 20% water change + clean every 2 weeks.going to do 50% water change +interpet 1/2 dosage later today. :idea:
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