Java fern and ferts?

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Java fern and ferts?

Postby dfinn » Sat Sep 15, 2012 6:01 pm

Hi,

Just setting up a low tech tank with java ferns in 14W T8 on 54L tank and no CO2

Do I need to add ferts to the tank for these? Substrate is just sand.

Thanks,

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Re: Java fern and ferts?

Postby straty44 » Fri Oct 19, 2012 10:20 pm

Hi Dan, new on here, I cant understand why no one has answered you, it is now over a month, what's going on, yes you need to add a small dose of ferts just once a week............
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Re: Java fern and ferts?

Postby Carylnz » Fri Oct 19, 2012 11:23 pm

I have never used ferts in a tank ever and have Java fern growing all over the place :wink:
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Re: Java fern and ferts?

Postby straty44 » Sat Oct 20, 2012 12:02 am

Java fern as far as I know will only grow on bog wood, if it is planted in the sand it will rot, I have always used ferts for mine and others, Baccopa & twisted Vallis, Cabomba and Ludwigia..........
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Re: Java fern and ferts?

Postby Carylnz » Sat Oct 20, 2012 12:11 am

No it will not rot but it will not have anything to attach the roots to in sand. It will attach to driftwood, rocks, gravel, anything more solid. It does not like its roots to be buried totally.
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Re: Java fern and ferts?

Postby SparkyST » Sat Oct 20, 2012 4:07 pm

I have java fern attached to a large piece of bogwood, grows like mad and constantly having to prune it back and never used any ferts
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Re: Java fern and ferts?

Postby straty44 » Sat Oct 20, 2012 5:51 pm

Everyone to their own,some do some don't, some will some won't..........I do :D
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Re: Java fern and ferts?

Postby englishmx » Sat Oct 20, 2012 6:30 pm

straty44 wrote:Everyone to their own,some do some don't, some will some won't..........I do :D


But in answer the original post....Java Fern & Ferts, certainly no need :wink:
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Re: Java fern and ferts?

Postby straty44 » Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:33 pm

Perhaps this chap is talking a load of crap then,........
http://www.vickisaquaticplace.com/javafern.html The one thing it DOES need, wherever it is, is a good, balanced fertilizer with plenty of iron in the water column; it has no roots to take up nutrients (those stringy brown things are strictly for attaching to surfaces, not for nutrient uptake), so solid fertilizers will do it no good whatsoever. If it doesn't get enough iron, that beautiful rich green will fade to a rather ugly, olivy color, and the leaves will begin to turn black. Don't confuse those ugly black edges with the brown splotches that show up on some leaves--those are spores, and will be the site of new plantlets before long.
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Re: Java fern and ferts?

Postby englishmx » Sun Oct 21, 2012 12:24 am

straty44 wrote:Perhaps this chap is talking a load of crap then,........
http://www.vickisaquaticplace.com/javafern.html


Not necessarily, they are giving their opinion :wink:

I was giving mine :roll:
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Re: Java fern and ferts?

Postby Carylnz » Sun Oct 21, 2012 4:31 am

You are obviously thinking "fertiliser" only refers to something chemical you buy and add. Fertiliser also includes fish poo. This is totally natural, produced by fish, and already in the tank.
The original poster asked if fertiliser needed to be added. The simple answer is "no". This does not mean the writer of the article was talking crap, as you so eloquently put it. If the plants are getting enough fertiliser from the fish then artificial fertilisers need not be added as well. Of course, if you did add CO2 and fertiliser, your plants would probably grow even faster, greener, and more lushly. :wink:
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Re: Java fern and ferts?

Postby straty44 » Sun Oct 21, 2012 11:44 am

englishmx wrote:
straty44 wrote:Perhaps this chap is talking a load of crap then,........
http://www.vickisaquaticplace.com/javafern.html


Not necessarily, they are giving their opinion :wink:

I was giving mine :roll:

I don't want to get off on a bad foot here, after all we are talking about half a teaspoon once a week, not a big deal really, and I have other plants in, as you know, so will leave it at that, and beg to differ...

Sorry about the way I phrased it Carylnz , I can only work on what I research , I wouldn't knowingly give someone wrong info........
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Re: Java fern and ferts?

Postby straty44 » Sun Oct 21, 2012 7:09 pm

a quick shot of my jf
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Re: Java fern and ferts?

Postby Carylnz » Sun Oct 21, 2012 11:49 pm

And very nice looking Java fern it is too! We are disagreeing on mere semantics here. Java can be grown easily without ferts added but, of course, any plant will flourish if given extra.
In any forum people have their own ideas of how to do things, what works and what doesn't. This does not mean one is right and another wrong, just that they got the same result using different methods. It is all good if you get the result you want.
Research what others do then do whatever feels right, or easiest, for you.
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Re: Java fern and ferts?

Postby straty44 » Mon Oct 22, 2012 8:02 pm

Thanks for the advice Carylinz.......... :)
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