Unexpected Ammonia & Nitrites

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Re: Unexpected Ammonia & Nitrites

Postby PeterK » Wed Dec 31, 2014 3:26 pm

Hello Daran,
No problem, just some information. Couldn't get any Hornwort, all LFS's were "waiting for the New Year delivery", but I did buy some liquid carbon (Easylife Easycarbo). Added 1/2 a dose yesterday pm (1ml) , this morning my nitrates have fallen from a steady 80ppm to 5. I did the test 3 times just to be sure! Fascinating, will be in touch.
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Re: Unexpected Ammonia & Nitrites

Postby cousin it » Wed Dec 31, 2014 3:41 pm

The liquid carbon you picked up is a popular choice and works quite well.
You should be able to bypass the hornwort if your plants are consuming nitrates quickly, the idea with the hornwort is it rapidly consumes nitrate.
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Re: Unexpected Ammonia & Nitrites

Postby PeterK » Sun Jan 04, 2015 12:20 pm

Hello Daran,
Just an update. Studying my record, It looks as though the absence of NH3 before Xmas caused a slight stall of the "phase 1" bacteria. Happily things are now moving along! The 2mls NH3 are being eaten each day and replaced, and the NO2 climbed steadily to 40ppm (yes, forty!). Today, it has dropped to 10 (YIPPEE!). NO3 is still minimal and being eaten by the plants, which are all looking excellent. Plenty of new growth on the Crypts and Echinodorus, and the Vallis are having babies. I have only added the one dose of Easycarbo to date.

The only worrying thing is that I haven't seen 'Arry for two days.......

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Re: Unexpected Ammonia & Nitrites

Postby PeterK » Sat Jan 10, 2015 12:17 pm

Hello Daran,
Firstly, for anyone who may be worried, 'Arry the Assassin is alive and well.
Secondly, over the last week or so, the NH3 is still being eaten daily, and I have further reduced the dose to 1.5ppm. When re-checked 6 hours later, I still find 1.0ppm, so it is not all being consumed by the plants, and it is passing through the filter about 4 times/hour to feed the bacteria. NO2 has fallen steadily from 40 to 2.5, whereas the NO3 has gone from 5/10, to approx. 400 in 4 days.(After a "160" result, I tested a diluted sample - my tap water has 10 ppm today). So it appears that there has also been a "phase 2" stall. Also my pH has steadily fallen from 7.4 to 6.6. (tap water is 7.4 straight out of the tap). Do I start water changing now to dilute the NO3 and buffer the pH, or should I wait?
As always, awaiting your words of wisdom,

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Peter
ps He's a tough nut, this 'Arry!!....mind you, so are his intended victims!!
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Re: Unexpected Ammonia & Nitrites

Postby cousin it » Sat Jan 10, 2015 2:56 pm

Hi
I am glad to hear that Arry is safe and doing well,
I would start to make water changes of about 30% weekly and see how this progresses, it sounds like you are close now :)
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Re: Unexpected Ammonia & Nitrites

Postby PeterK » Sat Jan 10, 2015 6:11 pm

Thanks Daran,
First w/c done. I will let you know how things progress.
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Re: Unexpected Ammonia & Nitrites

Postby PeterK » Tue Jan 20, 2015 3:54 pm

Hello Daran,
Another update. NH3 has been increased from 1.5mls to 2mls, and now 3mls, as each "double zero" is achieved in 24hrs. I think I am nearly there! I have had to do a few 50% w/c's to contain the nitrate. The 30% w/c did reduce it, but the bacteria promptly replaced it, so I made no headway. The w/c's do not seem to have affected the progress of the cycle at all. Getting a brown and green algae problem now, so the sooner I can get it ready for some algae eaters the better!

I have visited 12 LFS's, and have selected the few to do business with......I know 12 is a lot, but I have this need to look at fish....!

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Re: Unexpected Ammonia & Nitrites

Postby cousin it » Sat Jan 24, 2015 9:55 am

Those readings do look very promising.
I can understand looking in so many shops, I often spend a few days off travelling around to see what different shops have in, usually looking more for plants than fish though, the worst so far has been a 1000+ mile weekend trip but it was worth the distance to collect some of the plants they had there.
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Re: Unexpected Ammonia & Nitrites

Postby PeterK » Sat Jan 24, 2015 3:54 pm

Thanks Daran,
Nothing wrong with that, I do love plants.
On another note, I have been looking at my Water Authority website, and was surprised to see that my tap water is very soft (2.9deg German or 53ppm/Caco3). I am surprised, because my little town is built from limestone. There are quarries nearby. I can remember digging up several large pieces in my last garden. My water actually comes from about 30 miles away in the Brendon hills. Could this explain the above mentioned drop in pH? (The large w/c's have steadily buffered the pH back to 7.4). I bought an API hardness test kit yesterday, and it showed tap & tank KH as just 2deg and tank GH as 4. Should I try to adjust the hardness, and if so, how?

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Re: Unexpected Ammonia & Nitrites

Postby cousin it » Sun Jan 25, 2015 1:51 pm

To harden the water slightly I would probably use some seachem equilibrium which is good when used on planted tanks, there are cheaper gh and kh boosters available which might be an option once you are settled into how the tank runs but for the initial period I would use that.
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Re: Unexpected Ammonia & Nitrites

Postby PeterK » Thu Jan 29, 2015 7:18 pm

Thanks Daran,
I will try and get some.

All the best,
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Re: Unexpected Ammonia & Nitrites

Postby PeterK » Thu Feb 05, 2015 1:14 pm

Hello Daran,

IT'S HAPPENED !! I HAVE CYCLED !!
54 days since switching on the filter, and I am there ! Just done yet another large w/c, and I have finally got the nitrate down to 20ppm. I am now heading for the car, to visit one of the two LFS's which has the same water supply as mine. Fish here I come!
Daran, thank you for all of your excellent advice. Quite where I would have ended up without your guidance, I hate to think. No doubt a lot of fish will be much healthier.

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Re: Unexpected Ammonia & Nitrites

Postby cousin it » Thu Feb 05, 2015 5:22 pm

Excellent news :D
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Re: Unexpected Ammonia & Nitrites

Postby Carylnz » Fri Feb 06, 2015 7:05 am

Thank you to you too for listening to the advice given and acting accordingly.
Thank you also for obviously making sure conditions are at their best before adding fish!
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Unexpected Ammonia Nitrites

Postby Dieniabed » Thu Aug 30, 2018 3:28 am

yup making sence. so do i take pleco from community tank and hero discus and put together in qt tank or do i put hero in with pleco into community tank.

ok this is someone elses issue....new tank new filter. cycled sponge from breeder ammonia.25 nitrites between 2-5 nitrates 0. 7 discus in 55 barebottom. daily 50-70 wc. is she cycling?
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