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Rick Member

Joined: 24 Jun 2009 Posts: 22 Location: Lancashire
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Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 1:21 pm Post subject: New tank / New additions... advice & tips needed |
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Hi all,
I'll be ordering my new tank in the next week or so, a Jewel Rio 180 , not too big but a nice step up from the 80L i currently have.
What i wanted to know was...
1. Does anyone have any good tips for cycling the second tank ? I was thinking i could give the new one a filter sqeeze from my current mature tank ? But would it be a good idea to also use the part of the filter element that i chuck away every month or so (i obviously keep the rest which holds the bacteria). I mean, could i just drop that in the tank for a period of time ?
Would moving a couple of rocks to the new tank also help ? or bogwood ?
2. If i want to "fishless" the new tank, what can i add other than food to start the process off ?
3. I have quite a happy tank of fairly peaceful fish... Currently consisting of 3 guppies, 6 neons, 6 harleys, 6 Norman's Lamp eyes, 3 Scarlet Badis, 4 Bumblebee Gobies, 7 cory's and 5 amano shrimp.
I will be moving all of these into the new tank i think and was wondering if a pair of Electric Blue Rams would fit in with these guys ok ?
Also, i wanted to get a few more shrimp, i've seen some Bumblebee Shrimp and Red Cherry Shrimp at a place near me, can anyone tell me if different varieties of shrimp will live happily together ?
Thanks for reading...  _________________ 3 Male Guppies,
6 Neon Tetras,
6 Harlequin Rasboras,
7 Cory's (4 Panda, 1 Albino & 2 Sterbai),
5 Amano Shrimp
3 Scarlet Badis
1 baby bristlenose
and outside of the tank...
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Apistogramma Moderator

Joined: 15 Jun 2007 Posts: 7835 Location: Derbyshire, England
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Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 9:13 am Post subject: Re: New tank / New additions... advice & tips needed |
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| Quote: | Hi all,
I'll be ordering my new tank in the next week or so, a Jewel Rio 180 , not too big but a nice step up from the 80L i currently have. |
Congrats!
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What i wanted to know was...
1. Does anyone have any good tips for cycling the second tank ? I was thinking i could give the new one a filter sqeeze from my current mature tank ? But would it be a good idea to also use the part of the filter element that i chuck away every month or so (i obviously keep the rest which holds the bacteria). I mean, could i just drop that in the tank for a period of time ? |
You don't need to cycle the second tank fishlessly - you already have a thriving and mature bacteria colony in the first tank. It won't hurt to remove some of the filter media - up to 25% - and put it in the new filter the same day as you add the first lot of fish. A good group of 5 or so 2" fish would be fine then, along with monitoring for ammonia, nitrite and nitrate and careful feeding.
| Quote: | | Would moving a couple of rocks to the new tank also help ? or bogwood ? |
Yes - anything from the mature tank including decor, substrate, plants and filter media. There is however, little or no free floating bacteria in the water, so there's no need to add that to the new tank.
| Quote: | | 2. If i want to "fishless" the new tank, what can i add other than food to start the process off ? |
Neat ammonia - but there's really no reason to spend in excess of a month cycling the tank and producing a fairly instable and immature bacteria population when you already have a large, mature population in your other filter. If you want to fully cycle the tank and add a lot of fish at once you could move some mature filter media into the new tank and feed it with 3-4ppm ammonia per day until it can consume it within 12 hours. However you wouldn't want to add more sensitive fish or scavenging fish to a tank that is newly cycled anyway so you would probably find it more effective to stock the tank gradually over the next six months.
| Quote: | 3. I have quite a happy tank of fairly peaceful fish... Currently consisting of 3 guppies, 6 neons, 6 harleys, 6 Norman's Lamp eyes, 3 Scarlet Badis, 4 Bumblebee Gobies, 7 cory's and 5 amano shrimp.
I will be moving all of these into the new tank i think and was wondering if a pair of Electric Blue Rams would fit in with these guys ok ? |
If you're moving them all over to the new tank then move your substrate, decor and filter over to the new tank, fill half the new tank with water from the old tank and fill the other half with clean, dechlorinated water (to prevent shock to the fish via pH fluctaution, temperature change, sudden change in nitrate levels) and move the fish over the same day. After a few months of running both filter at the same time you can take the old filter away. If you want a different substrate in the new tank you can keep the old sustrate seperate from the new by keeping it in netting or a pair of tights.
Yes a pair of rams will go very well in that set up. However you need to check your stocking level. You have space for 60" of small adult fish (about 2" - which is what you have) in the new tank.
| Quote: | Also, i wanted to get a few more shrimp, i've seen some Bumblebee Shrimp and Red Cherry Shrimp at a place near me, can anyone tell me if different varieties of shrimp will live happily together ?
Thanks for reading...  |
Yes the shrimp will be quite happy together. However be aware that tiny shrimp will be predated on by all of your fish - it would be a good idea to provide plenty of plant cover for them to hide in.
Hope that helps! _________________ Becky
*Aimlessly drives around in the steam roller with Karena's now fairly blunt scissors...and Lisa's hedge trimmer*
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Rick Member

Joined: 24 Jun 2009 Posts: 22 Location: Lancashire
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Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 8:06 am Post subject: |
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hi Becky,
Thanks for the reply and yep, thats a great help.
The only thing would be i may now keep the smaller tank running as well as the new tank and only move some of the fish over, so moving the gravel etc might be something i can't really do. I do have a fair amount of rocks and a big lump of bogwood i could move to the new tank to help with the bacteria. I'd imagine i have to be careful not to remove too much though and upset the balance in the small tank.
The other option i have is the nice lady who owns the LFS near me is happy for me to purchase items like bogwood and stones now and she will put them in a running display tank for me until i'm ready to put them in my new tank. Would that be a good option to go for, i can't think of any reason (other than disease, which i think is very unlikely from well looked after stock, you can tell when someone takes a lot of pride in their work) not to do this _________________ 3 Male Guppies,
6 Neon Tetras,
6 Harlequin Rasboras,
7 Cory's (4 Panda, 1 Albino & 2 Sterbai),
5 Amano Shrimp
3 Scarlet Badis
1 baby bristlenose
and outside of the tank...
1 German Shepherd  |
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Apistogramma Moderator

Joined: 15 Jun 2007 Posts: 7835 Location: Derbyshire, England
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Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 11:08 am Post subject: |
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You could take half the stock and half the substrate and half the filter media. Just take a proportionate amount to the percentage of fish you are moving.
The mature tank will recover very quickly - that's the benefit of having a tank that's been running for a several months or more.
I would not be too keen to have decor from other tanks no matter how clean and well looked after they are. Some fish carry immunity to bacteria and infections that other fish don't have the ability to fight off so well. That's why it's good to buy fish from the same sources and breeders. The less introduction to new and different strains of diesease you can manage the better for the fish. Another problem with a fish shop is that they quickly move fish on, sometimes before diesease or infection or parasites have had time to produce symptoms. That's why we recommend quarantining any new fish. _________________ Becky
*Aimlessly drives around in the steam roller with Karena's now fairly blunt scissors...and Lisa's hedge trimmer*
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